Israel or Christ?

Recently I read an article by Dr Tim Orr who rather than exult the Lord Jesus focuses on a relationship with Israel and the nation, modern Israel. He believes Israel is still God’s chosen people. See his article here: https://dailydeclaration.org.au/2025/11/21/reclaiming-israel/

This author is not true to the New Testament. I sent the following comments to this publication.

God’s promise to Abraham came true for us Christians down to this very day. For we who follow Jesus are the true people of God. We are Abraham’s descendants. Not fleshly Israel. Not earthly Jerusalem.


This author has cherry-picked the scriptures to claim that Israel is the chosen people of God. He has ignored much evidence in the NT for example:


Galatians 6:16. We are the Israel of God. The ὅσοι [‘as many as’] refers to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile; and ‘Israel of God’ to the same Christians, seen collectively and forming the true messianic community.” (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180).

Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase “as many as shall walk by this rule” (i.e., the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group. And Paul also wrote: “if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise”. (Galatians 3:29). See also Galatians 3:6-912.


Galatians 3:26-29: For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes. There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you (Gentiles).


1 Peter 2:4-10: . . . . . . for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light. “Once you had no identity as a people; now you are God’s people. Once you received no mercy; now you have received God’s mercy.”

These terms, chosen people, royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession, reflect Deuteronomy 7:610:1514:2.

Under the New Covenant the same applies to all believers in Christ both Jew and gentile.


Matthew 8:11-12. Jesus said to unbelieving Jews: “I tell you this that many Gentiles will come from all over the world –from east and west–and sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob at the feast in the Kingdom of Heaven. But many Israelites–those for whom the Kingdom was prepared–will be thrown into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


Replacement theology’?  Nonsense.

Israel has not been replaced. Israel was transformed at Pentecost, with the remnant, Jews from all nations of the Dispersion. From then on these Jewish believers were persecuted by the Jews who rejected their Messiah, as Jesus said would happen in the Olivet Discourse.


And see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16. And then, dear brothers and sisters, you suffered persecution from your own countrymen. In this way, you imitated the believers in God’s churches in Judea who, because of their belief in Christ Jesus, suffered from their own people, the Jews. For some of the Jews killed the prophets, and some even killed the Lord Jesus. Now they have persecuted us, too. They fail to please God and work against all humanity as they try to keep us from preaching the Good News of salvation to the Gentiles. By doing this, they continue to pile up their sins. But the anger of God has caught up with them at last.


1 Thessalonians 1:3-4. We know, dear brothers and sisters, that God loves you and has chosen you to be his own people.


Romans 11:30–36 does not teach about a kingdom with both Jews and Gentiles as distinct populations within the people of God. That would be a totally abhorrent idea for Paul (Galatians 3-6, Ephesians 2-3).

Many commentators have adopted Israel as their focus. It’s idolatry.

No matter how much New Testament scripture is quoted they don’t want the truth. So brainwashed. 

5 responses to “Israel or Christ?

  1. Ruth Goozeff's avatar Ruth Goozeff

    Dear Ian, Thank you for sharing your belief system, It’s was one I was raised with, but I have found as I have grown older my belief that God has a distinct and definite plan to fulfil his early promises to Israel and that we, the church are part of this fullness, is a better understanding for me. When I consider that so many from my family did not believe that Israel would become a nation again, and yet every step leading to the reality of today was fulfilled – I just marvel. I guess soon we will all see what will come to pass. Until then I rejoice in the Promises of the Lord and feel excited seeing what is happening in Jerusalem at present.

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    • No Ruth. What you were raised with was not my belief system! My beliefs about end times have come very late in my life. They have emerged and formed over the past 15 years. As I grow older, they continue to evolve as I study the scriptures more.

      You spoke of early promises to Israel? Read the Bible correctly! In Genesis 12:1-2 God promised Abraham “beyond his physical descendants to a spiritual fulfillment through the “seed” of Abraham, which Paul identifies as Christ. Paul emphasizes in Galatians 3:16 that the promise was made to Abraham and his “seed,” singular, not “seeds,” indicating that the ultimate fulfilment is through Christ, the one promised descendant. So Paul says “now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children[p] of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.”

      The nation state they call ‘Israel’ is not true Israel. It is a product of the Rothchilds’ family and the Darby-Scolfield circus. Your family were right!

      Just what do you see happening in Jerusalem at present?

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    • No Ruth. What you were raised with was not my belief system! My beliefs about end times have come very late in my life. They have emerged and formed over the past 15 years. As I grow older, they continue to evolve as I study the scriptures more.

      You spoke of early promises to Israel? Read the Bible correctly! In Genesis 12:1-2 God promised Abraham “beyond his physical descendants to a spiritual fulfillment through the “seed” of Abraham, which Paul identifies as Christ. Paul emphasizes in Galatians 3:16 that the promise was made to Abraham and his “seed,” singular, not “seeds,” indicating that the ultimate fulfilment is through Christ, the one promised descendant. So Paul says “now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children[p] of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.”

      The nation state they call ‘Israel’ is not true Israel. It is a product of the Rothchilds’ family and the Darby-Scolfield circus. Your family were right!

      Just what do you see happening in Jerusalem at present?

      Like

    • No Ruth. What you were raised with was not my belief system! My beliefs about end times have come very late in my life. They have emerged and formed over the past 15 years. As I grow older, they continue to evolve as I study the scriptures more.

      You spoke of early promises to Israel? Read the Bible correctly! In Genesis 12:1-2 God promised Abraham “beyond his physical descendants to a spiritual fulfillment through the “seed” of Abraham, which Paul identifies as Christ. Paul emphasizes in Galatians 3:16 that the promise was made to Abraham and his “seed,” singular, not “seeds,” indicating that the ultimate fulfilment is through Christ, the one promised descendant. So Paul says “now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children[p] of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.”

      The nation state they call ‘Israel’ is not true Israel. It is a product of the Rothchilds’ family and the Darby-Scolfield circus. Your family were right!

      Just what do you see happening in Jerusalem at present?

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  2. Dearest Ian, your post is superb! Well said. I added to this early this morning. Together, hopefully, we ‘wrapped it up’. Love to you both from  from your little  sister and brother armed with pens and typewriters for Christ and HIS Gospel. J.

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